Tom Modly, the under secretary of the US Navy, discusses the service’s new Educating for Seapower or E4S plan to improve officer and enlisted education to grow more strategic, thoughtful leaders as the critical advantage in great power competition and fields questions about the reported retirement of the USS Harry S. Truman with 30 more years of service life remaining and the rational for shifting resources from purchasing two more San Antonio-class amphibious ships toward more survivable platforms like submarines with Defense & Aerospace Report Editor Vago Muradian in his office at the Pentagon.