The co-chairs of the congressional mandated National Defense Strategy Commission, former Pentagon policy chief Amb. Eric Edelman, PhD, of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, and former Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead, USN Ret., of the Hoover Institution, discuss the commissions findings that absent more sustained defense spending and innovation the United States will lose its ability to lead the global rules based order that maintains global stability and face a potential military defeat in conflict with Defense & Aerospace Report Editor Vago Muradian. The interview was conducted at Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies.